Concerns Over Detained Iranian Christians Amid Political Turmoil (BosNewsLife In-Depth)

By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent, BosNewsLife

Marzieh Amirizadeh, 30, and Maryam Rustampoor, 27, have been held for over four months in Tehran's notorious Evin prison.
Marzieh Amirizadeh, 30, and Maryam Rustampoor, 27, have been held for over four months in Tehran's notorious Evin prison.


TEHRAN, IRAN (BosNewsLife)-- As the world focuses on the political turmoil in Iran, two detained Christian women are "in danger of being forgotten" amid concerns they may face execution, Iranian Christians said Tuesday, July 7.
Marzieh Amirizadeh, 30, and Maryam Rustampoor, 27, have been held for over four months in Tehran's notorious Evin prison apparently for converting to Christianity from Islam.

Iranian Christians and rights investigators said the two young women, who were arrested March 5, suffered sleep deprivation as part of police interrogations and were held in solitary confinement for three weeks in May and early June.

Later, they were put together in one small cell for about two weeks before being moved to a larger area to make place for other inmates, including many protesters who were detained following last month's disputed presidential elections,  said Christians with close knowledge about the situation.

About 600 women were reportedly brought to Evin prison during the protests.

EXECUTION PENDING?

There was still no clarity regarding the case of the two Christian women, Tuesday, July 7, with one judge reportedly telling them they were both to be executed as ‘apostates’. "Maryam and Marzieh have responded with courage, however, telling the judge to 'expedite his sentence'," said Pray for Iran, an Internet initiative of Iranian churches.

After international pressure, the Iranian Government's Parliamentary Committee reportedly removed articles stipulating the death penalty for apostasy from the Islamic Penal Code Bill, but the changes have to be approved by legislators.

"Until the Islamic Penal Code Bill is finalized by the Iranian Parliament and Guardian Council, there is still a danger that the judicial committee’s revisions may not be taken into account," explained Alexa Papadouris,  Advocacy Director of Britain-based Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a religious rights group.

Apostasy along with murder, adultery, rape, armed robbery, and drug trafficking are all punishable by death in Iran, and last week Iranian media reported that at least six people were hanged for murder in the same prison where the two Christian women are held.

"GREAT COURAGE"

Yet, "Maryam and Marzieh have demonstrated great courage and trust in God.

They believe the promise of Jesus that they will be given the words to speak when they are taken before judges," said Sam Yeghnazar, founder of Elam Ministries, an organization supporting te growing churches in Iran.

Elam Ministries said the outcome of the "political turmoil" in Iran "could crucially impact the level of suffering" of the two women and other Christians who were formerly Muslim.

Besides Amirizadeh and Rustampoor, over 50 Christians were arrested, some being held for weeks in solitary confinement, several Christian sources said.

At least eight prominent Christians were killed since 1979, Elam Ministries added.

IRAN HARD-LINERS

"If the position of hard-liners is strengthened there is a real danger they could unleash more persecution against the church," the group added.

Elam Ministries linked the attacks to concern among Iran's leaders about the spread of Christianity in the Islamic nation. "Because Iran is a strategic gateway nation, the growing church in Iran will impact Muslim nations across the Islamic world."

The group said in 1979, there were less than 500 known Christians from a Muslim background in Iran. "Today the most conservative estimate is that there are at least 100,000 believers in the nation."

Church leaders have reportedly said that they believe "millions" can be added "to the church in the next few years-such is the spiritual hunger that exists and the disillusionment with the Islamic regime."

OPPOSITION LEADER

Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi vowed Monday, July 6, to continue his campaign against the re-election of the perceived hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

However Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has banned demonstrations and accused Western leaders for their alleged "meddling" in Iran's internal affairs, threatening to respond with a "Iron fist."

At least 20 protesters and eight members of the feared Basij militia have died in recent protests, officials said.  They include Neda Agha Soltan, a 26-year-old woman who was shot and killed by a suspected militia sniper.

Pictures and video footage of Soltan, with blood pouring from her mouth and nose as a few Iranian men struggled to save her, have became a powerful symbol of the protests taking place over Iran's disputed presidential election.

Authorities have reportedly forced her family to leave their Tehran home, and refused to return her body for a proper funeral.

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  3. dear Fawzia Usman

    First, the Jews had lots and lots of problems – like the whole bondage in Egypt (leading to Moses and the Exodus and reason for Passover), a zillion other tribulations – being conquered, tossed out of lands, plaques and more, for the thousands of years before Christ was even supposedly a character. So, to say the problems after Christ are a repercussion for any possible participation in his or some later person’s death is nonsense. And Hitler wasn’t catholic we was agnostic, he didn’t like the church because they were against his views of Jewish people. Let’s not forget Hitler killed anyone against him including Christians. Did you know communists are atheists and have killed and continue to kill people? LET’S not forget about Stalin, Mussolini, napoleon, chairman Mao etc….. IN fact atheists have killed and continue to kill more every day, as well as Muslims. I remember reading during the crusades any Christians that lay a hand on a Jew was punished and Christians hid Jews and even Muslims in churches to save them from the crusaders, The only reason the crusades happened is because the Muslims were killing Christian pilgrims and treated them like second class citizens/including the Jews as well. Muslims were in ww2 they were allies of Hitler helping him in is death camps/talk about ignorant… They are the real Christians, not the ones who are violent. Jesus taught love not hate. Muslims were responsible for hypes for example: Armenian genocide, 9/11 and much more. Christians are the ones trying to help poor and starving children of the world, you never hear atheists or Muslims doing that do you. You never hear about Christians in the news beheading Muslims or marring 9 year old girls, or keeping sex slaves and trying to kill Jews.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n_OywOzPcQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT4S6BzKFrg&feature=related

    http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php

    http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html

    http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=armenian+genocide&um=1&biw=1152&bih=639&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

    http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm

    http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=sEuTTL3OK4iqcdLRrMIG&ved=0CBMQBSgA&q=ashura+day&spell=1&fp=f8742a0da852d549

    http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm

    http://www.islamlies.com/

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/muslims-burn-the-homes-attack-kill-christians-and-buddhists-in-bangladesh.html

    http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=muslims%20killing%20christians&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1152&bih=639

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

    http://www.islamlies.com/

    LOOK AT CHRISTIANITY:
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    http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/jesus-parables-teachings/jesus-keymessages/jesus-loveoneanother.php

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLE8EY0gMX4

    http://www.google.com.au/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1152&bih=639&q=jesus+with+children&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

  4. As an Indian we were devastated when we saw the demolition of Babri Masjid and the heinous Gujarat riots. We really were ashamed of calling ourselves “Indians”. But after seeing this in Iran and other countries things like above do start making sense.

  5. Dear Fawzia Usman,

    Thanks for clarifying that you too don’t know for sure that the six million Jews who suffered in the Holocaust will all go to hell. Sorry but your previous e-mails on Christianity seemed to suggest that you had the impression that’s what I thought. From which I could only conclude that you apparently know more than I on this issue. “Perhaps he has some connections there”, came even to mind. I am happy you set the record straight.

    Also the Bible suggests that actually we are already dead without the Lord Jesus Christ as no human being, an ancestor from the sinful Adam, can have eternal life so in a way without Him. Therefore we have to become a new creation, or born-again, in Jesus Christ, according to the Bible. 1 Corinthians 15:50 (New International Version): “I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” The Good News is that Jesus, who was the second Adam, but without sin, paid the price for our sins (death) and with his resurrection went ahead of us in a New Life, according to Romans 6:6 (New International Version) for instance: “6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin—” Also, God did raise “Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification” (Romans 4:24-25) and “Because Christ lives, we too shall live” (John 14:19).

    That many in the world don’t accept Christ as their Lord and Savior doesn’t surprise me. The Bible speaks of a broken world, and as I told you before in our previous conversation, currently the devil rules here on earth, but that’s going to change very soon. Christians are, as you can see from the previous verses, not from this world anymore, although still here for a while. This explains also why
    many Christians are persecuted (at least 100 million, according to Open Doors, a respected international advocacy group).

    About miracles in my life, you confirm that it would make no sense to mention them to you as evidence. I am in good company however.
    “Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway,” says the Lord in John 20:27-29. As for healings you mentioned, I have no doubts that others, including even witches, can heal people. But they can not provide salvation and eternal life. That’s only possible through Jesus Christ, according to His Word. I call that the biggest miracle of all. Not whether someone is healed in a temporary human body.

    Your “He’ll not appear personally to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus ” surprises me. What a nonsense. Jesus Christ came for everyone, ESPECIALLY for the Jews and Israel. The Bible says in Romans 1:16 “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.”

    And: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins” (Acts 5:30-31).

    Religious Jews also believe in Jesus the Messiah. The difference is that Messianic Jews and other Christians have come to the understanding thet He already was on this earth and will come back, while they believe He still has to come. Also I did not yet
    mention that the dedication to the Lord by my parents, as we discussed earlier, does ofcourse NOT mean I became a Christian at
    that moment. It was their wish, their prayer. I had to make that personal decision myself later.

    I disagree that “just reading the Bible” is insufficient. I do think however it is good for people to seek other believers to study God’s
    Word and encourage each other as the Body of Christ in a hurting world. Finally: I am not going to make this an endless discussion. I would suggest once again that if you have questions or protests about His Word, you should go directly to the Lord. Why wait? He is willing to answer you, according to the Bible.

    Matthew. 7:7-11: “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!”

    I will not make this an endless discussion on this forum. I think you made your points, I made mine. If you want to learn more about the Christian faith I can send you some links and you can also click the Worthy Prayer button on the Website.

    God bless you,

    Stefan J. Bos

  6. Dear Stefan Bos,

    I DO NOT know who or why is going to Hell, nor do I claim to know, I don’t even know if there’s a Heaven or Hell!

    As for miracles in your life & Jesus’ words & the incredible protection that Jesus has provided you in Balkans, Iraq & Beirut-suffice to say that millions of Jews have experienced the same protection & love in war zones from YHWH(who they persistently claim has no son, thus Jesus according to Jews isn’t His Son!), millions of Muslims from Allah, millions of Hindus from Krishna, Shiva, Ram, Kali etc.

    I have had Muslim relatives share their “miracles” with me, they told me that it was Allah who protected their lives in times of utmost difficulty, how they managed to survive life threatening diseases etc.

    My cousin, my aunt’s daughter had leukemia as a child, her parents or her(then) only sibling, her sister’s bone marrow didn’t match with hers, her dad had undergone a vasectomy, he managed to reverse that & have another child whose marrow matched & my cousin is healthy now! They thank Allah for this!

    As for going to Hell, you keep repeating verses that say that belief in Jesus is neccessary, Jews DO NOT believe Jesus is the Son of God!Except Messanic Jews, a fundamental characteristic of Judaism is that Jesus isn’t accepted by them!

    Nor do Muslims, Muslims call their God Allah & add SWT meaning Allah has no sons! Thus they do not accept Jesus as Son of God!

    Your God may well love Jews & Christians, but He also wants them to accept Jesus as Son of God, which they don’t!If they don’t accept Jesus as Son of God, its you, not me repeating the Scriptures that they don’t get to go to Paradise!

    Yes I have read the Bible & its claims & the Quran & the contradictory claims!

    Oh & intolerance in the name of Christianity, well you could well claim that its not due to Christianity, Muslims would claim the same thing, that those doing the persecutions weren’t “real Christians” or “real Muslims”.

    Yeah, sure your God is a God of Love! He’ll not appear personally to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc, there’ll be other books like the Quran around which will make the exact same claims to be God’s words, more than a billion people will believe that book or other holy books & those who don’t believe Jesus is God will not have eternal life, yet he loves!;-)

    Reminds me of Muslim honor killing husbands, who also love their wives, yet will kill them if they don’t return his love & have an affair with another man! ;-)

    Fact that often persecutions had happened in these faiths names & the majority of the world’s followers of Jesus or Allah are the children of believers whose parents have dedicated them to those Gods.

    If just reading the Bible, or for that matter the Quran were sufficient to convince the world, so many wouldn’t remain unconvinced! ;-)

  7. Dear Fawzia Usman,

    I don’t know who you mean with “you guys” involved in ethnic cleansing, persecution of Jews, the Holocaust etc.
    I think I have made clear there is a difference between religion and real Christianity. I am sure many things have
    been done in the name of Christianity as I pointed out in my many comments exchanges with you.
    Persecution of Jews has nothing to do with Christianity. In fact, Jesus was born of a Jewish mother.
    The first disciples were Jews. How can a Christian possibly be anti-Semitic? As for evidence. I can only speak
    for myself and say that I have a daily relationship with Christ. I have also experienced His protection and love
    during very difficult journalistic assignment in war zones, including Iraq, Beirut the Balkans and elsewhere. I could
    share with you the many miracles in my life, yet I don’t think that would convince you either. Ofcourse I quote from the
    Bible as that is God’s Word. It says about searching for “evidence” as you call it in John 20:27-29 where Jesus says
    “Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.'” This is the full verse: “Then he said to
    Thomas, ‘Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless
    any longer. Believe!’ ‘My Lord and my God!’ Thomas exclaimed. Then Jesus told him, ‘You believe because you have
    seen me. Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.'” I also would like to point out once again that
    Christ wants to save everyone, including Jewish people and Muslims. You apparently know better than me that Anne Frank
    and all other six million Jews are going to hell. I would be the last to say that. As I pointed out to you God sees the heart.
    Yes my God is a God of love. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
    whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” And Yes I believe what Jesus said:
    in John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
    If you don’t like that or don’t want to accept that, that’s your choice. But I would suggest you go for more questions
    directly to Him and His Word, the Bible.

    Best regards,

    Stefan J. Bos

  8. Stefan J. Bos,

    Don’t you GET the meaning of “evidence”? No wonder you guys fail to convince so much of the world after 2000 years of persecuting Jews for “deicide”, ethnic cleansings, colonizations & Inquisitions! ;-)

    I asked you, how is it that its Jesus who saves from Hell & not Allah? You quote words of the Bible, well I’ll quote a bit of the Quran too for you as counterevidence!

    Here:

    Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Quran 3:4

    Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. Quran 3:10

    Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. Quran 3:12

    Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. Quran 3:19

    There you go! More than a billion people believe in the Quran, two billion in the Bible! Just like your word against mine, without additional evidence doesn’t constitute “proof”, similarly the Bible’s words v. the Quran’s words are no proof! ;-)

    Its nice to hear again that you accept your God’s decision about non believers not getting to go to Heaven, let me requote what Philip Saenz said:

    “Islam teaches that all “infidels” are going to hell. That’s awfully stupid. Why are all “infidels” going to hell?”

    Well, you see Philip Saenz, our Christian friend here, Stefan Bos says the exact same thing! ;-)

    As I’ve told you before, neither Allah & Muhammad, nor Christ have done anything for me!Both Muslims & Christians have preached at many people & even if thats’ failed, they have persecuted multiple people, all to no benefit! Neither has managed to win over half the world, yet most people’s parents faith indeed does much for them, their parents “dedicate” them to it, they hold onto it for life & gain much satisfaction from the faith & thank that particular Lord!

    But for an accident of birth, you would’ve been “dedicated” to Allah, Buddha or Krishna & thanked those gods as much as you could!
    You would quote those Scriptures as evidence!

    Incidentally, evil humans like Stalin also somehow followed Jesus or Allah’s policy, they too wanted people to accepted their Stalinist ideology & then be allowed to live, or they’d be slaughtered!

    The Creator of the Universe has supposedly authored a Book, unfortunately there’s not just one Book that claims to be from the Creator of the Universe, there are multiple such books, each making exclusivist claims!

    You quote from the Bible, supposedly as its written by the Creator of Our Universe, my grandma & other Muslims’ quote from the Quran as they believe those are from the Creator of our Universe!

    A simple wrong choice, or an accident of birth can thus doom most folks!

    Even if we leave aside Anne Frank, 6 million other Jews were butchered by Hitler in his gas chamber! Those Jews died still clinging to their faith & their faith doesn’t accept Jesus as God’s Son! Thousands of Muslims died in Srebrenica, believing & clinging to Allah & faith in Allah too doesn’t accept Jesus!

    But they too had a God in their life, like Muslims have a God, they worship & thank Him as much as they can & it does loads for them! Will Jesus now take over from Hitler & make those Jews suffer eternally for disbelief & being born into the wrong family?

  9. Dear Fawzia Usman,

    You are totally free to believe the Bible or not. I am NOT “comfortable with 66% of the world doomed, however noble they are!” I think I have explained you in many examples of the Bible that God came to save everyone. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” That’s what the Bible says, not me. By faith and accepting His
    grace we are saved. Rom. 11:6, “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.” So however “noble” you may be in the eyes of this world, according to the Bible people are only saved if they accept His love in Jesus Christ. That’s the Bible, Gods Word. Not mine. You ask: “Last time asking you: Since you claimed its only by “faith” NOT works that we’re saved, Muslims tell me the exact same line, please go ahead & prove how I(& you) can be saved by faith in Christ & NOT Allah?” The answer is simple in for instance John 14:6 (New International Version): “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” He did not say I am ‘a’ way, ‘a’ truth, and ‘a’ life. He said THE way, THE truth and THE life. It’s up to you whether to accept that or not. I don’t know what Muhammed or ‘Allah’ has done for you personally. I know what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for me. For that I thank Him as much as I can.

    Best regards,

    Stefan J. Bos

  10. Dear Stefan Bos,

    Again as for that whole absurd story of demons wanting to go into humans, going into pigs instead, 2000 pigs dying by drowning et al & of course Satan, well that story is as believable or as unbelievable as children in Nigeria being bewitched or Allah dictating a book to Muhammad containing manifold instructions or Jupiter & Juno ruling over Mt. Olympus!

    There’s no more reason to believe this unbelievable account anymore than there is reason to believe in Osiris, Isis, Horus, Shiva,Baal, Krishna, Buddha, Allah, Poseidon or any other such tale, no more reason to believe Christ’s claim to be God than Krishna’s claim to be God.You born into a Muslim family in Turkey, a Buddhist family in Thailand or any other family would likely believe another equally absurd tale as the truth & your parents would “dedicate” you to another Lord!

    I believe that you have accepted multiple times that only those who accept Jesus as the Son of God is saved! Well, then you are comfortable with 66%+ of the world doomed, however noble they are!Good for you, that the Lord has filled your hearts with such kindness, that the thought of 4 billion good people suffering doesn’t fill you with dread! ;-)

    Gandhi & Einstein have explicitly rejected Jesus! Gandhi remained Hindu, Einstein identified with Judaism but called the Bible “childish myths!”They are good people & many a Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist sweeper who somehow cannot believe in the Jesus story is according to your faith burning in Hell too!

    You can proudly say that the Lord doesn’t care whether one is a Noble Laureate or sweeper, but He cares so much whether they believe in Jesus that He’ll burn them in Hell for disbelief!

    Allah says the same thing, belief & be saved, disbelief & burn! I know quite a few Christians whose hearts have been transformed by Allah too ! Remember if that story is right(there’s no plausible reason you’re right & that is wrong) you’re going to be unsaved, while the billion + Muslims will be saved!

    How, except by repeating your Scriptures words ad nausem, can you prove that its you who’s got the right story capable of “saving” & the Muslims have got it wrong?

    Both Scriptures make the same exclusive claims! How, excepting by quoting your Scriptures (Muslims will quote theirs & prove you wrong!), can you prove that YOU got it right & Muslims got it wrong?

    Re Skeptics Annotated Bible, I don’t care whether the Lord no longer does such stuff or not! Point is He did once! Just like I don’t care if someone has stopped being a rapist, violent genocides, I wouldn’t like a person who did such stuff once!

    Your Lord clearly ordered stonings, genocide; ethnic cleansings etc, stories like Lot’s story are still used to persecute homosexuals! That is bad enough in my eyes!

    Last time asking you: Since you claimed its only by “faith” NOT works that we’re saved, Muslims tell me the exact same line, please go ahead & prove how I(& you) can be saved by faith in Christ & NOT Allah?

    Remember, Muslims will repeat their scriptures as counterevidence!

  11. Dear Fawzia Usman,

    Just to combine my reactions. You say that my “excuse that its better Jesus allowed the demons to go into pigs because they’d have gone into humans instead is utter bollocks.” Well honestly I don’t think so. I am pleased the unclean spirits went into unclean animals rather than people at that moment. You say Jesus could have destroyed the demons as an ‘almighty God’. That would be against Gods Word, and therefore a sin. The Bible makes clear that at the moment the devil, also known as Satan, who leads the demons, is still ruling this broken world. Jesus acknowledged that in Matthew 4:8-11 when he was challenged by the devil: “Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them; and he said to Him, “All these I will give you, if You will fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus said to him, “Begone, Satan! for it is written, ‘You shall worship The Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.'”

    Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.” Once again the devil “left”, just as the demons did by going into the pigs you are so concerned about. ((They were searching for a home, but as lying beings, they obviously drowned the pigs, inflicting material pain but no spiritual pain on the people nearby, who actually were “amazed”, the Bible says.)) The reference to “and Him shall you serve” was about the future, when indeed the devil and his demons will be destroyed. But that will be in a new world, where the Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ, King of Kings, will rein, according to the Bible. Secondly you say ‘Almighty God’. When Jesus spoke to the demons, it was before he died and proved Himself to be the Lord Jesus Christ by rising up from the painful death at a cross with which he paid the ultimate price for our sins, so we too have eternal life.

    Apostle Paul writes how important it was for Jesus Christ to rise up from the death first. “And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not” (I Corinthians 15:14-15). Now you may wonder: Ok, but why He did not destroy the demons AFTER his ressurrection? The truth is, according to the Bible, that Satan has already been defeated; he just hasn’t been removed yet from this earth where he is still ruling. The Return Of Jesus Christ with his believers to the whole world will mark the end of Satan’s rule and influence on earth for 1,000 years, and after a short time, forever. He will soon get all that’s coming to him, and he knows it. “But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!” (Revelation 12:12 RSV). So the Satan will be destroyed at God’s time. Again you mention Anne Frank and other people who do good works.

    I think I already told you that I don’t read anywhere that Anne Frank rejected the Lord. I think God sees the heart of everyone; he is NOT interested in how good our works are are in the eyes of the world, or our religion. As a matter of fact he was victorious over religion, represented by the Law of Moses with all its obligations and works, by His death and resurrection. We are ONLY saved by faith not by good works, according to the Bible. Romans 3:28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 5:1: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    AND ALSO READ ABOUT EVEN ABRAHAM, considered to be very important by both religious Jews, Muslims, Christians. Romans 4:1 “What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” You can be angry with me about that, but I would suggest you are at the wrong address. Why not ask Him personally to explain it to you?

    Does that mean we shouldn’t help the poor etc.? Ofcourse we should help the needy. Christ will transform your heart. However also read Matthew 6:1-4: “Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” He doesn’t care if you are a Nobel Prize winner, Ghandi, or a street sweeper. John 3:16 says: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Everyone. Regardless of ethnic, religious or status background. I wish you and your family His love.

    Finally something about your comments somewhere that Christians explain the Old Testament verses are not relevant. The http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ conveniently overlooks the fact that Jesus Christ has accomplished the Law of Moses by dying for us at the cross, taking all the pain suffering sins for us, and rising up from the death. Secondly there was NO CHRISTIANITY in the Old Testament yet. Logical, because the Body of Christ, His Church, only began AFTER His mission on earth was finished. After he died, rose up from the death and went to the Father to prepare a place for us. So when Christians read the Old Testament, we thank the Lord that no longer these punishments are needed as we have been saved by Jesus Christ. Jesus already says for instance in Matthew 5:39: “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person.
    If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

    Or: “You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those
    who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:43-44). The previous sentence was a reference to the Old Testament reality. However in the second sentence he says how it is now. Even in the Old Testament however you can already read that God wanted to save the world, not by violence. 1 Samuel 17:47: “It is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves;”, I believe a clear reference to what he planned to do for the world in His Son.

    Best regards,

    Stefan J. Bos

  12. To Phillip Saenz, Zak & others who pick out violent passages from the Quran or tom tom misogynistic verses & practices, have you guys taken the same long, hard look at your own faith Christianity, because several believing, practicing Christians, even evangelists & apologists have.

    As Ralph Peters says: As a believing Christian I must acknowledge that nothing in the Quran is as violent compared to what the Lord orders Joshua.”
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09072006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/islam_haters__an_enemy_within_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm

    Evangelists like Phillip Jenkins & Dinesh D Souza have come to similar conclusions after reading both books:
    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/08/dark_passages/?page=full
    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzY3NjU1ZGNkNWQzNzE5NzlhODMyZGUxNDUyMGY1ZGI=

    Here’s a nice selection of the violence, misogyny, cruelty & absurdity in the Bible & the Quran.
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

    Yes, I know that Christians have lately managed to explain away such passages, give freedom of religion, say Old Testament verses don’t apply etc, but so have many Muslims & Muslim nations,in another few centuries Islam as the youngest faith would probably reach the same maturity that Christianity has.

    Such hypocrisy won’t land you anwhere, many of my Muslim relatives, on being told that Islam is uniquely violent have read the Bible, & found it just as bad,nor are Muslims unfamiliar with Christianity’s blood soaked history.I don’t think its possible to destroy a faith of a billion plus people, especially not with lies & overlooking the flaws of your own faith.

    Its amusing to learn from Zac & others that they don’t have problems with Judaism, coz they had horrible problems with Judaism & Jews’ supposed deicide till very recently! ;-)

  13. Philip Saenz requested:

    How could the Catholic Church excommunicate Hitler if he wasn’t a Catholic? When will you produce a picture of Hitler attending a religious service, any service?

    Your wish is my command Philip Saenz, here are ample pictures of Hitler & the rest of the Nazis attending Church, come on, feast your eyes!

    http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

    Well, now even after Hitler’s personal admission that he is a Catholic & will always remain one, you continue to claim that he wasn’t, Muslims say the same stuff about bin Laden & other jihadis.

    Anyway, since there’s a famous saying “Is the Pope Catholic?” to state the obvious, I assume that Popes were indeed Catholics?

    Well, Pope Pius the IXth ordered the kidnapping of a little Jewish boy Edgardo Mortara as late as 1858, he was snatched away from his Jewish family & forcibly raised Christian, despite all the sufferings of his parents.

    Did the Pope excommunicate himself too after this dastardly act?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Mortara

    Hitler raised in a Catholic Church which till recently was prone to such acts & regularly hearing the words “perfidious Jew” in their liturgy, naturally claimed that he was a Catholic, will always remain so & felt that he was doing the “Lord’s work!”.

    This reminds me of these Iranian women, again I repeat as a religion 600 years younger than Christianity, Islam might just need some more time to catch up in many areas.

    I don’t care much about these stuff, just telling you coz you asked.

  14. Dear Stefan J. Bos,

    I am not unduly concerned with pigs, certainly not with pigs who died in thousands two millennia back, however your excuse that its better Jesus allowed the demons to go into pigs because they’d have gone into humans instead is utter bollocks. No wonder with all the troubles, two thirds of the world remains unconvinced!

    As an Almighty Lord, Jesus could have destroyed demons by many ways which do not involve the deaths of either pigs or humans,he could have simply killed them in multiple ways which did not involve 2000 no less innocent deaths by painful drowning.

    Anyway, the whole stuff is as I said absurd, if demons can enter pigs or humans in one such absurd story, they can do so again, they can bewitch innocent kids in Nigeria & then those Nigerian child witches would need to be killed as well! ;-)

    As Voltaire said, “Those that can get you to believe in absurdities can get you to commit atrocities!”

    So Jesus supposedly took 33 years out of His Eternal Bliss in Heaven, spent 3 poxy days on the Cross & went right back to His Heavenly Delights & if for whatever reason I find this story unbelievable, I’m supposedly going to burn in Hell!

    But many other holy books also have such stories, the ancient Egyptian God Osiris too rose from the Dead, taught the ancient Egyptians agriculture & even had a Son Horus!

    There’s little reason to find your story more convincing than the ancient Egyptian story!Thats’ why after all the persecutions, so many millions of even Jews remain unconvinced!

    So you will refuse to accept Anne Frank rejected your Lord, even if there’s ample evidence she never accepted Him, however, if she didn’t you are perfectly comfortable with the idea of her being burnt in the Lord’s Hell, straight from Hitler’s Hell!

    Well, Gandhi, Einstein & millions of other such good people have explicitly rejected your Lord, there are millions of little Jewish girls like Anne Frank(I have a few Jewish friends myself)who don’t believe in Jesus!

    Had your story been so convincing, with all the torture you guys have put Jews through two millennia, at least all Jews would’ve been conviced as would Muslims in at least the tolerant nations & other Hindus, Buddhists etc in previously colonized nations.

    Instead, the Christian story remains just one among multiple such claims, just like Allah & Muhammad’s claims, many people have been moved by Allah too & performed great actions & led utterly noble lives while having a personal relation with Allah!

    The fact is that millions of people in the world have accepted as truth one of multiple religious stories, you find meaning & solace in the Jesus story, most of my relatives do in the Allah story & have a personal relation with Allah & believe that gives them Eternal Life, many believe in Shiva, Krishna, YHWH,the Chinese folk Gods, the Shinto gods etc-& all these religions have produced men & women of exceptionally good morals which seem to show their religion’s goodness as well as others of great wickedness which bring shame on their religion.

    I do not have God in my life, neither did amongst others four times Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling-how dare you suggest we lead incomplete lives or deserve to suffer endlessly?

    Linus Pauling, amongst many other non believers has contributed far more to the world than many Christians, had a good marital life & raised four children well, why should innocent & good people suffer simply coz they can’t believe in one particular version of an unbelievable story?

    And most non Christians DO have God\s in their lives, have a personal relation with Him or Her, only they have a different name & different text as their reference point.

    My grandmom is extremely devout & this devotion gives her the courage to visit her girls’ schools in Kabul even though she’s old & frail & its risky. She always shares her thoughts with a God, only she calls Him Allah & she urges me to ask my questions to Allah too(she knows that I disbelieve & she respects my decision)in much the same laguage you use, she too says that Allah gives everyone full choice to believe or disbelieve.

    Just like your parents “dedicated” you to Jesus, my great grandparents dedicated my grandma to Allah & she like you also believes in free choice, the only difference being she that through an accident of birth, she was born to Muslim parents & remained dedicated to Allah, while you were born in a Christian home & remain dedicated to Christ!

    Also, the texts of both texts, while mentioning free choice, also mention that those not choosing Jesus or Allah are supposedly doomed!

    You remain with the free choice of Christ, never having considered Allah, grandma remains with her choice of Allah!

    I know my grandma is an exceptionally good woman, you I think are a very good person too, yet due to accidents of birth & the supposedly free choices that you made due to these mere accidents of birth, either of you are doomed according to Christianity & Islam’s religion’s books.

    Grandma also says that Allah can explain my doubts even better through His words, have you tried that? I know some Christians who somehow got conviced Allah is the Right Choice(& some Muslims who went in the opposite direction) too you know! ;-)

    They no longer believed in the Jesus story, began believing in Allah, if all their good morals remain the same, should they be punished simply for choosing one of two absurd & fanciful stories? Or if two Muslims hear the Jesus story, one accepts that, one disbelieves that, but both lead very moral lives & both have a personal relationship with God(only they call that Lord Jesus & Allah respectively) does one deserve Heaven & the other Hell?

    Both Islam & Christianity speak of free will, supposing one story is correct, the billions following the wrong faith deserve to be punished eternally? It is highly likely that most people will choose to remain in the faith of their parents, children born to Muslim parents will generally choose Allah, those “dedicated” to Jesus will choose Him, so are you even doing people a favor by narrating the Jesus story or Allah’s story, given that most people will reject that(like you reject Allah) & then the consequences will be eternal torture?

    Re unbaptized babies: I know that they don’t go to Hell or any other such nonsense, that was just my response to Philip Saenz who said that te Catholic Church now says that other non believers also get to Heaven, I pointed out that till recently the Catholic Church even said that unbaptized innocent babies end up in Limbo!

    Best regards

    Fawzia

  15. Dear Fawzia Usman,

    I know you are very concerned about the pigs and other animals on this planet. Let me once again say that He did not decide, but “allowed” the demons to go into the pigs. They drowned them. I know you are sad about the pigs. But would it not be more terrible if they would have gone into people? About the God Almighty I can only refer to my previous e-mail, that Jesus became the Lord Jesus Christ again, returned to the Father in his Might AFTER his death, in other words his humiliation for which He left behind His glory, for you and me, and resurrection. This is still a broken world, but the Bible says he will return and restore His glory here. No He was (and is) not a sinner. But as you don’t believe the story anyway, why the endless discussion? I don’t know what was in Anne Frank’s heart. You say she did not accept the Lord, but nowhere I read that she rejected Him. I also have some news for you. No, unbaptized children are NOT doomed. Baptism is NOT essential to be saved, but it is a logical consequence after becoming a Christian. My parents, for instance, did not baptize me, but “dedicated” me to the Lord when I was a baby as in their view, and I share that, people should make a personal decision for Christ and decide whether they want to be baptized or not. God has no grand children. Just because your parents are Christians, doesn’t mean you are a Christian, although the world and even the Church may say so. I think John 3:16 says it all: JOHN 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” It requires a personal action. You may find that gruesome, I call it endless love from a real loving Father who has given us a free choice. He does NOT impose His will on you. You always talk about hell. I would say someone who is without God in his or her life on this earth is already living in death. Once again I do NOT have a religion. Your concerns about churches, religions, ‘Christians’ who commit crimes, I share to a certain extend. But once again there is a big difference between religious, name-Christians, and those who are Christians based on the Bible rather than traditions. That does NOT mean they are without sins. However in Christ they are forgiven. That’s why I think your first reference should not be people, the church or any religion, but His Word, the Bible. I think you should ask Him, instead of endless accusing people here in this forum. Yes we know ‘Christians’, Muslims and many other have made mistakes and so does the Church. But that doesn’t say anything about having a personal living relationship with Christ, although that will impact our actions. If you have complaints about His teachings, why you don’t complain to Him? He may even be willing to explain you better than I can through His Word.

    Best regards,

    Stefan J. Bos

  16. @ Philip Saenz,

    Regarding the Catholic Church & non believers, again the belief that nonbelievers & people of other faiths get to go to Heaven is extremely new, only a few decades old, earlier they believed that both nonbelievers & unbaptized babies don’t get Paradise, innocent babies go to “limbo”.

    The Catholic Church massacred Cathars & even rival Christian sects for centuries, yes in the present day, its become very benign, however many Christian sects like the Pentecostals, the fastest growing, hold that all non Christians end up in Hell.

    That is what the Bible says as well.

    JOHN 3:16
    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
    whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

    Titus 3:5a
    “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His
    mercy He saved us”

    Book of John
    “He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not
    is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the
    only begotten Son of God.”

    Matthew:18:3
    “And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as
    little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

    Incidetally there are more than a few passages in the Quran which also say that non Muslims, specifically naming Jews, Christians & anyone else who believes in One God & do good work go to Heaven.

    Many Muslims believe in this too, for example in Senegal, interfaith marriaes are common, the First President Leopold Sanghor was the son of a Muslim mother & Christian father & a Christian.

    The Holy Catholic Church once killed witches after excruciating torture, while the Catholic Church has stopped, Evangelical pastors in Nigeria are still continuing.

    The Church liturgy till 1961 called Jews “perfidious Jews” words Hitler grew up hearing, Muslims historically have been less anti Semitic but of course recent decades have seen a change.

    Christians in African nations which practice Christianity have overwhelmingly more AIDS while Muslim African nations like Algeria, Tunisia & Morocco have the lowest AIDS rates even by global standards.

    Yes, in some areas Islam is still notoriously backward, but then its 600 years younger, it just might need more time catching up, Islam is no worse than the Catholic Church was 600 years back & better in many ways, including AIDS rates than the Church is even currently!

    Take a lesson from the Bible, learn to pull the plank out from your eyes before complaining about the speck in someone else’s eyes.

    Sincerely,

    Fawzia.

  17. Philip Saenz,

    I too am not interested in rectifying crimes committed hundreds of years ago, its not possible to do that but I just wanted to show you your hypocrisy, Islam started 600 years after Christianity, it just might need more time to catch up in many areas. If you claim that its only Islam which demeans women, well Christianity’s positive attitude towards women & “witches” is only a few centuries old, it has tremendously tortured women & non believers till the recent past, Islam will probably get rid of these attitudes soon. Do you know honor killings are completely absent in the world’s largest Muslim nation Indonesia, & the world’s largest matriarchal group are the 8 million strong Muslim Minangkabau?

    I am very interested in rectifying crimes committed in the name of Islam, I am working with an organization that preaches against honor killings, as I am a school student, my resources are presently very limited but I contribute half my salary that I get babysitting & washing cars towards the girls school that my Muslim grandmother has started in Afghanistan. I could’ve spent that money on new clothes or on a new cellphone, I choose to make my small contribution towards a community I come from, even if I don’t practice the faith anymore.

    But now, lets’ learn about you. Other than holding fallacious beliefs that its only Muslims who cut off girls’ clitorises, what is your contribution towards stopping certain barbaric Christian customs that happened not hundreds of years ago but is still happenning?

    Like the child “witches” still being killed at the urging of Christian pastors in Nigeria?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver

    What steps have you taken to stop these killings?

    Or for that matter, how exactly have you saved girls’ clitorises from beig cut off amongst Christians in the world’s oldest Christian nation-Ethiopia & amongst Coptic Christians in Egypt?Both these people are still cutting off girls’ clitorises to this day, not in the distant past. And yes, they’re Christians, have been Christians for two millennia.

    Btw, I had pasted the world’s AIDS statistics once, I’ll do that again for your benefit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

    You can clearly see that te worst AIDS rates in Africa are in the Christian nations, which also hold the dubious distinction of the world’s lowest life expectancies & in many of those nations like Zimbabwe & Swaziland, men outlive women which is unnatural.

    The Muslim African nations like Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Morocco & even Senegal & Mali have far lower AIDS rates & women outlive men.

    Its interesting to note here that Muslim nations like Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco etc have also some of the lowest birthrates, showing high contraceptive use. Condoms are widely available in Muslim Senegal, giving it the lowest AIDS rates at just .8% in Sub Saharan Africa.

    The Christian countries ban condoms, women are infected from their husbands even if they marry very young & as virgins, giving them lower life expectancies than men. Even Uganda has may times the AIDS rates of Senegal.

    How are you helping out the Christian “child witches” of Nigeria, the girls’ whose clitoris are cut off amongst Christians in Ethiopia & these AIDS ridden women who die in millions amongst Christians in Africa, excepting by spreading misinformation & lies?

    Oh & your Cause, I don’t care much either way but I do believe in full freedom of religion & of course I think its appalling if anyone is compelled to accept or reject any religion.

    However, may Muslim nations also have full freedom of religion-Muslim Senegal, Niger, Mali haven’t killed any apostates & freely allow missionary activities, yet not many have been won over to your Cause there.

    Perhaps thats’ good, Muslim Senegal with .8% AIDS might become 18% AIDS ridden & have lower life expectancies for women with Christianity & a condom ban, you know! ;-)

  18. Dear All,
    Those of you who defend any religion or ideology need to know religion made us inhuman , what Muslims are experiencing today Europe experienced before , Christianity , Judaism , Islam are all man made,if there were came from the supposed God, Bible would have been written by Christ not after his death, Or Quran by Muhammed not after his death, almost all the holy books came in to life after the death of those so called prophets, why God can’t just send a book to any of his prophets and say , ok guys you gotta follow this ??!!! Because even though Jesus or other prophets might be good guys but after their death some people who we call them Mullahs , Clergies , Priests , holy father needed to make money out of this mess , So they created Christianity and Judeism and Islam. Although Islam story is very different. Muhammed was a criminal from the beginning.

    After Christianity and all those crusifictions and burning witches in Europe they have decided to modernize it and they adapted the Christianity with needs of today’s people. though Mullahs of Islam did not have this understanding to adapt themselves with the new world, because simply they are bunch of idiot criminals.

    Today in any religion you can call others infidel when they don’t agree with you, and God knows some jews and Christians believe crusifiction was a good idea like the guy who killed John Lennon, Lets open our eyes and see this world in different angle. Lets be human , in order to be peaceful and human you don’t need a religion. Lets help each other build this destroyed planet and promote prosperity and peace, Why can’t we drop what ever religion we have be friend with eachother? Who knows what really happened some 2000 years a go? what does it matter? Be critical thinkers and analyse something before you believe in it.

    Peace and Love,

  19. Let’s have a logical discussion. Islam has declared war on the west. Islam frankly has declared war on everybody who doesn’t follow this faith. Always has, always will. The very definition of Islam is “peace” IF (and this is a huge IF) “one submits and surrenders to their god and sharia way of life.” IF you don’t…all bets are off and there is NO peace.

    We should have a debate on Islam. It is the cause of over 95% today’s wars and conflicts…and 99% of terrorism in the name of a religion.

    The facts are clear…1,400 years ago war was declared on us by an ideology of hate and violence which arose at the time and was proclaimed by a barbarian who called himself the Prophet Mohammed. Of course, I am referring to Islam. Remember…he didn’t go tent to tent asking, “Hey…would you like to become Muslim?” He used force and terror…you CANNOT ignore this history.

    The foundation of the Islamic faith, the Koran. The Koran’s core theme is about the duty of all Muslims to fight non-Muslims; an Islamic Mein Kampf, in which fight means war, jihad. The Koran is above all a book of war ““ a call to butcher non-Muslims (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4). Jews are compared to monkeys and pigs (2:65, 5:60, 7:166), while people who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God must according to the Koran be fought (9:30).

    We in the West have no problems with Jews or Christians, but it does have problems with Islam. It is still possible, even today, for Muslims to view the Koran, which they regard as valid for all time, as a licence to kill. And that is exactly what happens. The Koran is worded in such a way that its instructions are addressed to Muslims for eternity, which includes today’s Muslims. This in contrast to texts in the Bible, which is formulated as a number of historical narratives, placing events in a distant past. Let us remind ourselves that it was Muslims, not Jews or Christians, who committed the catastrophic terrorist attacks in New York, Madrid, India and London; and that it was no coincidence 99% of all terrorists are those following 1,400 years of Islam and Koranic doctrine.

    I acknowledge that there are people who call themselves Muslims and who respect our laws. However, the Koran does have something against them. For it is stated in the Koran in Sura 2, verse 85, that those believers who do not believe in EVERYTHING the Koran states will be humiliated and receive the severest punishment; which means that they will roast in Hell. In other words, people who call themselves Muslims but who do not believe, for example, in Sura 9, verse 30, which states that Jews and Christians must be fought, or, for example, in Sura 5, verse 38, which states that the hand of a thief must be cut off, such people will be humiliated and roast in Hell. Note that it is not me who is making this up. All this can be found in the Koran. The Koran also states that Muslims who believe in only part of the Koran are in fact apostates, and we know what has to happen to apostates. They have to be killed…just like these two Iranian Christian converts. After all, the judge was simply following the laws of Islam. Human rights? In Islam? Are you kidding me??

    The Koran is a book that incites to violence. In addition, the Koran incites to hatred and calls for murder and mayhem. The Koran is therefore a highly dangerous book; a book which is completely against most civilized legal orders and our democratic institutions.

    BTW…there can be no such thing as “moderate Islam”…. As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it”…. Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39).

    Apart from conquest and forced conversion, Islam is also hell bent on installing a totally different form of law and order, namely Sharia law. This makes Islam, apart from a religion for hundreds of millions of Muslims also, and in particular, a political ideology (with political/constitutional/Islamic basic values, etc). Islam is an ideology without any respect for others; not for Christians, not for Jews, not for non-believers and not for apostates. Islam aims to dominate, subject, kill and wage war.

    We need to discuss why Islam is such an terrible religion…by their texts, their founding, and more so…by their ACTIONS of yesterday and TODAY.

    Enough is enough…let’s discuss why islam MUST be addressed by logic, rational and yes, FORCE!

  20. Fawzia Usman, I see you’re still there. I’m not going to argue with you because it’s a waste of time arguing with someone like you. I’m more interested in putting a stop to crimes that are being committed at present by Islam. I’m not interested in crimes that were committed hundreds and even thousands of years ago simply because there is no way that I can rectify those crimes of the distant past. I don’t know why you even mention them unless it’s because you hate something or someone. I do mention Islamic crimes because Islamists have not evolved like Christians and Jews. By that, I mean that Muslims are still committing the same crimes, and I want them to stop the way Christians and Jews have stopped.

    As for Adolph Hitler, you can argue back and forth all you want, but he was not a good man, and I’m glad he’s gone. How could the Catholic Church excommunicate Hitler if he wasn’t a Catholic? When will you produce a picture of Hitler attending a religious service, any service? Let me repeat once again, Nazism, founded by Adolph Hitler, and Communism were both atheistic.

    I’ve noticed that you’re not interested in putting a stop to Islamic crimes that are being committed at present. I wonder about your motive. I am beginning to wonder if you are truly a good and sincere person. Instead of taking someone’s word over the internet, why not buy the universal Catholic Catechism and read it if you want the correct teachings of the Holy Catholic Church? Don’t forget that there are many detractors that want to destroy Christianity. So it’s better to go to the source and get the correct explanation.

    Fawzia, you’re being very silly if you think that the Catholic Church condemns anyone to hell. The job of a true Christian isn’t to condemn anyone, but to preach the good news of Jesus Christ. We Christians don’t know where you are going. But the Catholic Church does teach that anyone has a chance to get to heaven, no matter his religion, if that person is a good, sincere person who is trying to please God. Yes, you too have that chance even though you are not a Christian. So you see, we’re not as evil as you think.

    I don’t know if you believe in the Cause of all causes, but may that Cause bless you anyway.

    Incidentally, the Holy Catholic Church isn’t a Christian sect.

    Sincerely

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