This cancer must be stopped.

Thanks for clarifying that you too don’t know for sure that the six million Jews who suffered in the Holocaust will all go to hell. Sorry but your previous e-mails on Christianity seemed to suggest that you had the impression that’s what I thought. From which I could only conclude that you apparently know more than I on this issue. “Perhaps he has some connections there”, came even to mind. I am happy you set the record straight.

Also the Bible suggests that actually we are already dead without the Lord Jesus Christ as no human being, an ancestor from the sinful Adam, can have eternal life so in a way without Him. Therefore we have to become a new creation, or born-again, in Jesus Christ, according to the Bible. 1 Corinthians 15:50 (New International Version): “I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” The Good News is that Jesus, who was the second Adam, but without sin, paid the price for our sins (death) and with his resurrection went ahead of us in a New Life, according to Romans 6:6 (New International Version) for instance: “6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin—” Also, God did raise “Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification” (Romans 4:24-25) and “Because Christ lives, we too shall live” (John 14:19).

That many in the world don’t accept Christ as their Lord and Savior doesn’t surprise me. The Bible speaks of a broken world, and as I told you before in our previous conversation, currently the devil rules here on earth, but that’s going to change very soon. Christians are, as you can see from the previous verses, not from this world anymore, although still here for a while. This explains also why
many Christians are persecuted (at least 100 million, according to Open Doors, a respected international advocacy group).

About miracles in my life, you confirm that it would make no sense to mention them to you as evidence. I am in good company however.
“Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway,” says the Lord in John 20:27-29. As for healings you mentioned, I have no doubts that others, including even witches, can heal people. But they can not provide salvation and eternal life. That’s only possible through Jesus Christ, according to His Word. I call that the biggest miracle of all. Not whether someone is healed in a temporary human body.

Your “He’ll not appear personally to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus ” surprises me. What a nonsense. Jesus Christ came for everyone, ESPECIALLY for the Jews and Israel. The Bible says in Romans 1:16 “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.”

And: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins” (Acts 5:30-31).

Religious Jews also believe in Jesus the Messiah. The difference is that Messianic Jews and other Christians have come to the understanding thet He already was on this earth and will come back, while they believe He still has to come. Also I did not yet
mention that the dedication to the Lord by my parents, as we discussed earlier, does ofcourse NOT mean I became a Christian at
that moment. It was their wish, their prayer. I had to make that personal decision myself later.

I disagree that “just reading the Bible” is insufficient. I do think however it is good for people to seek other believers to study God’s
Word and encourage each other as the Body of Christ in a hurting world. Finally: I am not going to make this an endless discussion. I would suggest once again that if you have questions or protests about His Word, you should go directly to the Lord. Why wait? He is willing to answer you, according to the Bible.

Matthew. 7:7-11: “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!”

I will not make this an endless discussion on this forum. I think you made your points, I made mine. If you want to learn more about the Christian faith I can send you some links and you can also click the Worthy Prayer button on the Website.

God bless you,

Stefan J. Bos

I DO NOT know who or why is going to Hell, nor do I claim to know, I don’t even know if there’s a Heaven or Hell!

As for miracles in your life & Jesus’ words & the incredible protection that Jesus has provided you in Balkans, Iraq & Beirut-suffice to say that millions of Jews have experienced the same protection & love in war zones from YHWH(who they persistently claim has no son, thus Jesus according to Jews isn’t His Son!), millions of Muslims from Allah, millions of Hindus from Krishna, Shiva, Ram, Kali etc.

I have had Muslim relatives share their “miracles” with me, they told me that it was Allah who protected their lives in times of utmost difficulty, how they managed to survive life threatening diseases etc.

My cousin, my aunt’s daughter had leukemia as a child, her parents or her(then) only sibling, her sister’s bone marrow didn’t match with hers, her dad had undergone a vasectomy, he managed to reverse that & have another child whose marrow matched & my cousin is healthy now! They thank Allah for this!

As for going to Hell, you keep repeating verses that say that belief in Jesus is neccessary, Jews DO NOT believe Jesus is the Son of God!Except Messanic Jews, a fundamental characteristic of Judaism is that Jesus isn’t accepted by them!

Nor do Muslims, Muslims call their God Allah & add SWT meaning Allah has no sons! Thus they do not accept Jesus as Son of God!

Your God may well love Jews & Christians, but He also wants them to accept Jesus as Son of God, which they don’t!If they don’t accept Jesus as Son of God, its you, not me repeating the Scriptures that they don’t get to go to Paradise!

Yes I have read the Bible & its claims & the Quran & the contradictory claims!

Oh & intolerance in the name of Christianity, well you could well claim that its not due to Christianity, Muslims would claim the same thing, that those doing the persecutions weren’t “real Christians” or “real Muslims”.

Yeah, sure your God is a God of Love! He’ll not appear personally to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc, there’ll be other books like the Quran around which will make the exact same claims to be God’s words, more than a billion people will believe that book or other holy books & those who don’t believe Jesus is God will not have eternal life, yet he loves!;-)

Reminds me of Muslim honor killing husbands, who also love their wives, yet will kill them if they don’t return his love & have an affair with another man!

Fact that often persecutions had happened in these faiths names & the majority of the world’s followers of Jesus or Allah are the children of believers whose parents have dedicated them to those Gods.

If just reading the Bible, or for that matter the Quran were sufficient to convince the world, so many wouldn’t remain unconvinced!

I don’t know who you mean with “you guys” involved in ethnic cleansing, persecution of Jews, the Holocaust etc.
I think I have made clear there is a difference between religion and real Christianity. I am sure many things have
been done in the name of Christianity as I pointed out in my many comments exchanges with you.
Persecution of Jews has nothing to do with Christianity. In fact, Jesus was born of a Jewish mother.
The first disciples were Jews. How can a Christian possibly be anti-Semitic? As for evidence. I can only speak
for myself and say that I have a daily relationship with Christ. I have also experienced His protection and love
during very difficult journalistic assignment in war zones, including Iraq, Beirut the Balkans and elsewhere. I could
share with you the many miracles in my life, yet I don’t think that would convince you either. Ofcourse I quote from the
Bible as that is God’s Word. It says about searching for “evidence” as you call it in John 20:27-29 where Jesus says
“Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.’” This is the full verse: “Then he said to
Thomas, ‘Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless
any longer. Believe!’ ‘My Lord and my God!’ Thomas exclaimed. Then Jesus told him, ‘You believe because you have
seen me. Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.’” I also would like to point out once again that
Christ wants to save everyone, including Jewish people and Muslims. You apparently know better than me that Anne Frank
and all other six million Jews are going to hell. I would be the last to say that. As I pointed out to you God sees the heart.
Yes my God is a God of love. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” And Yes I believe what Jesus said:
in John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
If you don’t like that or don’t want to accept that, that’s your choice. But I would suggest you go for more questions
directly to Him and His Word, the Bible.

Best regards,

Stefan J. Bos

Don’t you GET the meaning of “evidence”? No wonder you guys fail to convince so much of the world after 2000 years of persecuting Jews for “deicide”, ethnic cleansings, colonizations & Inquisitions!

I asked you, how is it that its Jesus who saves from Hell & not Allah? You quote words of the Bible, well I’ll quote a bit of the Quran too for you as counterevidence!

Here:

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Quran 3:4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. Quran 3:10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. Quran 3:12

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. Quran 3:19

There you go! More than a billion people believe in the Quran, two billion in the Bible! Just like your word against mine, without additional evidence doesn’t constitute “proof”, similarly the Bible’s words v. the Quran’s words are no proof!

Its nice to hear again that you accept your God’s decision about non believers not getting to go to Heaven, let me requote what Philip Saenz said:

“Islam teaches that all “infidels” are going to hell. That’s awfully stupid. Why are all “infidels” going to hell?”

Well, you see Philip Saenz, our Christian friend here, Stefan Bos says the exact same thing!

As I’ve told you before, neither Allah & Muhammad, nor Christ have done anything for me!Both Muslims & Christians have preached at many people & even if thats’ failed, they have persecuted multiple people, all to no benefit! Neither has managed to win over half the world, yet most people’s parents faith indeed does much for them, their parents “dedicate” them to it, they hold onto it for life & gain much satisfaction from the faith & thank that particular Lord!

But for an accident of birth, you would’ve been “dedicated” to Allah, Buddha or Krishna & thanked those gods as much as you could!
You would quote those Scriptures as evidence!

Incidentally, evil humans like Stalin also somehow followed Jesus or Allah’s policy, they too wanted people to accepted their Stalinist ideology & then be allowed to live, or they’d be slaughtered!

The Creator of the Universe has supposedly authored a Book, unfortunately there’s not just one Book that claims to be from the Creator of the Universe, there are multiple such books, each making exclusivist claims!

You quote from the Bible, supposedly as its written by the Creator of Our Universe, my grandma & other Muslims’ quote from the Quran as they believe those are from the Creator of our Universe!

A simple wrong choice, or an accident of birth can thus doom most folks!

Even if we leave aside Anne Frank, 6 million other Jews were butchered by Hitler in his gas chamber! Those Jews died still clinging to their faith & their faith doesn’t accept Jesus as God’s Son! Thousands of Muslims died in Srebrenica, believing & clinging to Allah & faith in Allah too doesn’t accept Jesus!

But they too had a God in their life, like Muslims have a God, they worship & thank Him as much as they can & it does loads for them! Will Jesus now take over from Hitler & make those Jews suffer eternally for disbelief & being born into the wrong family?

You are totally free to believe the Bible or not. I am NOT “comfortable with 66% of the world doomed, however noble they are!” I think I have explained you in many examples of the Bible that God came to save everyone. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” That’s what the Bible says, not me. By faith and accepting His
grace we are saved. Rom. 11:6, “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.” So however “noble” you may be in the eyes of this world, according to the Bible people are only saved if they accept His love in Jesus Christ. That’s the Bible, Gods Word. Not mine. You ask: “Last time asking you: Since you claimed its only by “faith” NOT works that we’re saved, Muslims tell me the exact same line, please go ahead & prove how I(& you) can be saved by faith in Christ & NOT Allah?” The answer is simple in for instance John 14:6 (New International Version): “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” He did not say I am ‘a’ way, ‘a’ truth, and ‘a’ life. He said THE way, THE truth and THE life. It’s up to you whether to accept that or not. I don’t know what Muhammed or ‘Allah’ has done for you personally. I know what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for me. For that I thank Him as much as I can.

Best regards,

Stefan J. Bos

Again as for that whole absurd story of demons wanting to go into humans, going into pigs instead, 2000 pigs dying by drowning et al & of course Satan, well that story is as believable or as unbelievable as children in Nigeria being bewitched or Allah dictating a book to Muhammad containing manifold instructions or Jupiter & Juno ruling over Mt. Olympus!

There’s no more reason to believe this unbelievable account anymore than there is reason to believe in Osiris, Isis, Horus, Shiva,Baal, Krishna, Buddha, Allah, Poseidon or any other such tale, no more reason to believe Christ’s claim to be God than Krishna’s claim to be God.You born into a Muslim family in Turkey, a Buddhist family in Thailand or any other family would likely believe another equally absurd tale as the truth & your parents would “dedicate” you to another Lord!

I believe that you have accepted multiple times that only those who accept Jesus as the Son of God is saved! Well, then you are comfortable with 66%+ of the world doomed, however noble they are!Good for you, that the Lord has filled your hearts with such kindness, that the thought of 4 billion good people suffering doesn’t fill you with dread!

Gandhi & Einstein have explicitly rejected Jesus! Gandhi remained Hindu, Einstein identified with Judaism but called the Bible “childish myths!”They are good people & many a Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist sweeper who somehow cannot believe in the Jesus story is according to your faith burning in Hell too!

You can proudly say that the Lord doesn’t care whether one is a Noble Laureate or sweeper, but He cares so much whether they believe in Jesus that He’ll burn them in Hell for disbelief!

Allah says the same thing, belief & be saved, disbelief & burn! I know quite a few Christians whose hearts have been transformed by Allah too ! Remember if that story is right(there’s no plausible reason you’re right & that is wrong) you’re going to be unsaved, while the billion + Muslims will be saved!

How, except by repeating your Scriptures words ad nausem, can you prove that its you who’s got the right story capable of “saving” & the Muslims have got it wrong?

Both Scriptures make the same exclusive claims! How, excepting by quoting your Scriptures (Muslims will quote theirs & prove you wrong!), can you prove that YOU got it right & Muslims got it wrong?

Re Skeptics Annotated Bible, I don’t care whether the Lord no longer does such stuff or not! Point is He did once! Just like I don’t care if someone has stopped being a rapist, violent genocides, I wouldn’t like a person who did such stuff once!

Your Lord clearly ordered stonings, genocide; ethnic cleansings etc, stories like Lot’s story are still used to persecute homosexuals! That is bad enough in my eyes!

Last time asking you: Since you claimed its only by “faith” NOT works that we’re saved, Muslims tell me the exact same line, please go ahead & prove how I(& you) can be saved by faith in Christ & NOT Allah?

Remember, Muslims will repeat their scriptures as counterevidence!

Just to combine my reactions. You say that my “excuse that its better Jesus allowed the demons to go into pigs because they’d have gone into humans instead is utter bollocks.” Well honestly I don’t think so. I am pleased the unclean spirits went into unclean animals rather than people at that moment. You say Jesus could have destroyed the demons as an ‘almighty God’. That would be against Gods Word, and therefore a sin. The Bible makes clear that at the moment the devil, also known as Satan, who leads the demons, is still ruling this broken world. Jesus acknowledged that in Matthew 4:8-11 when he was challenged by the devil: “Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them; and he said to Him, “All these I will give you, if You will fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus said to him, “Begone, Satan! for it is written, ‘You shall worship The Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.’”

Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.” Once again the devil “left”, just as the demons did by going into the pigs you are so concerned about. ((They were searching for a home, but as lying beings, they obviously drowned the pigs, inflicting material pain but no spiritual pain on the people nearby, who actually were “amazed”, the Bible says.)) The reference to “and Him shall you serve” was about the future, when indeed the devil and his demons will be destroyed. But that will be in a new world, where the Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ, King of Kings, will rein, according to the Bible. Secondly you say ‘Almighty God’. When Jesus spoke to the demons, it was before he died and proved Himself to be the Lord Jesus Christ by rising up from the painful death at a cross with which he paid the ultimate price for our sins, so we too have eternal life.

Apostle Paul writes how important it was for Jesus Christ to rise up from the death first. “And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not” (I Corinthians 15:14-15). Now you may wonder: Ok, but why He did not destroy the demons AFTER his ressurrection? The truth is, according to the Bible, that Satan has already been defeated; he just hasn’t been removed yet from this earth where he is still ruling. The Return Of Jesus Christ with his believers to the whole world will mark the end of Satan’s rule and influence on earth for 1,000 years, and after a short time, forever. He will soon get all that’s coming to him, and he knows it. “But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!” (Revelation 12:12 RSV). So the Satan will be destroyed at God’s time. Again you mention Anne Frank and other people who do good works.

I think I already told you that I don’t read anywhere that Anne Frank rejected the Lord. I think God sees the heart of everyone; he is NOT interested in how good our works are are in the eyes of the world, or our religion. As a matter of fact he was victorious over religion, represented by the Law of Moses with all its obligations and works, by His death and resurrection. We are ONLY saved by faith not by good works, according to the Bible. Romans 3:28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 5:1: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

AND ALSO READ ABOUT EVEN ABRAHAM, considered to be very important by both religious Jews, Muslims, Christians. Romans 4:1 “What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” You can be angry with me about that, but I would suggest you are at the wrong address. Why not ask Him personally to explain it to you?

Does that mean we shouldn’t help the poor etc.? Ofcourse we should help the needy. Christ will transform your heart. However also read Matthew 6:1-4: “Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” He doesn’t care if you are a Nobel Prize winner, Ghandi, or a street sweeper. John 3:16 says: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Everyone. Regardless of ethnic, religious or status background. I wish you and your family His love.

Finally something about your comments somewhere that Christians explain the Old Testament verses are not relevant. The http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ conveniently overlooks the fact that Jesus Christ has accomplished the Law of Moses by dying for us at the cross, taking all the pain suffering sins for us, and rising up from the death. Secondly there was NO CHRISTIANITY in the Old Testament yet. Logical, because the Body of Christ, His Church, only began AFTER His mission on earth was finished. After he died, rose up from the death and went to the Father to prepare a place for us. So when Christians read the Old Testament, we thank the Lord that no longer these punishments are needed as we have been saved by Jesus Christ. Jesus already says for instance in Matthew 5:39: “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person.
If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

Or: “You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those
who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:43-44). The previous sentence was a reference to the Old Testament reality. However in the second sentence he says how it is now. Even in the Old Testament however you can already read that God wanted to save the world, not by violence. 1 Samuel 17:47: “It is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves;”, I believe a clear reference to what he planned to do for the world in His Son.

Best regards,

Stefan J. Bos

As Ralph Peters says: As a believing Christian I must acknowledge that nothing in the Quran is as violent compared to what the Lord orders Joshua.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09072006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/islam_haters__an_enemy_within_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm

Evangelists like Phillip Jenkins & Dinesh D Souza have come to similar conclusions after reading both books:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/08/dark_passages/?page=full
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzY3NjU1ZGNkNWQzNzE5NzlhODMyZGUxNDUyMGY1ZGI=

Here’s a nice selection of the violence, misogyny, cruelty & absurdity in the Bible & the Quran.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Yes, I know that Christians have lately managed to explain away such passages, give freedom of religion, say Old Testament verses don’t apply etc, but so have many Muslims & Muslim nations,in another few centuries Islam as the youngest faith would probably reach the same maturity that Christianity has.

Such hypocrisy won’t land you anwhere, many of my Muslim relatives, on being told that Islam is uniquely violent have read the Bible, & found it just as bad,nor are Muslims unfamiliar with Christianity’s blood soaked history.I don’t think its possible to destroy a faith of a billion plus people, especially not with lies & overlooking the flaws of your own faith.

Its amusing to learn from Zac & others that they don’t have problems with Judaism, coz they had horrible problems with Judaism & Jews’ supposed deicide till very recently!