First, the Jews had lots and lots of problems – like the whole bondage in Egypt (leading to Moses and the Exodus and reason for Passover), a zillion other tribulations – being conquered, tossed out of lands, plaques and more, for the thousands of years before Christ was even supposedly a character. So, to say the problems after Christ are a repercussion for any possible participation in his or some later person’s death is nonsense. And Hitler wasn’t catholic we was agnostic, he didn’t like the church because they were against his views of Jewish people. Let’s not forget Hitler killed anyone against him including Christians. Did you know communists are atheists and have killed and continue to kill people? LET’S not forget about Stalin, Mussolini, napoleon, chairman Mao etc….. IN fact atheists have killed and continue to kill more every day, as well as Muslims. I remember reading during the crusades any Christians that lay a hand on a Jew was punished and Christians hid Jews and even Muslims in churches to save them from the crusaders, The only reason the crusades happened is because the Muslims were killing Christian pilgrims and treated them like second class citizens/including the Jews as well. Muslims were in ww2 they were allies of Hitler helping him in is death camps/talk about ignorant… They are the real Christians, not the ones who are violent. Jesus taught love not hate. Muslims were responsible for hypes for example: Armenian genocide, 9/11 and much more. Christians are the ones trying to help poor and starving children of the world, you never hear atheists or Muslims doing that do you. You never hear about Christians in the news beheading Muslims or marring 9 year old girls, or keeping sex slaves and trying to kill Jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n_OywOzPcQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT4S6BzKFrg&feature=related

http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php

http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=armenian+genocide&um=1&biw=1152&bih=639&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=sEuTTL3OK4iqcdLRrMIG&ved=0CBMQBSgA&q=ashura+day&spell=1&fp=f8742a0da852d549

http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm

http://www.islamlies.com/

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/muslims-burn-the-homes-attack-kill-christians-and-buddhists-in-bangladesh.html

http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=muslims%20killing%20christians&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1152&bih=639

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

http://www.islamlies.com/

LOOK AT CHRISTIANITY:
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http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/jesus-parables-teachings/jesus-keymessages/jesus-loveoneanother.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLE8EY0gMX4

http://www.google.com.au/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1152&bih=639&q=jesus+with+children&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

This cancer must be stopped.

Thanks for clarifying that you too don’t know for sure that the six million Jews who suffered in the Holocaust will all go to hell. Sorry but your previous e-mails on Christianity seemed to suggest that you had the impression that’s what I thought. From which I could only conclude that you apparently know more than I on this issue. “Perhaps he has some connections there”, came even to mind. I am happy you set the record straight.

Also the Bible suggests that actually we are already dead without the Lord Jesus Christ as no human being, an ancestor from the sinful Adam, can have eternal life so in a way without Him. Therefore we have to become a new creation, or born-again, in Jesus Christ, according to the Bible. 1 Corinthians 15:50 (New International Version): “I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” The Good News is that Jesus, who was the second Adam, but without sin, paid the price for our sins (death) and with his resurrection went ahead of us in a New Life, according to Romans 6:6 (New International Version) for instance: “6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin—” Also, God did raise “Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification” (Romans 4:24-25) and “Because Christ lives, we too shall live” (John 14:19).

That many in the world don’t accept Christ as their Lord and Savior doesn’t surprise me. The Bible speaks of a broken world, and as I told you before in our previous conversation, currently the devil rules here on earth, but that’s going to change very soon. Christians are, as you can see from the previous verses, not from this world anymore, although still here for a while. This explains also why
many Christians are persecuted (at least 100 million, according to Open Doors, a respected international advocacy group).

About miracles in my life, you confirm that it would make no sense to mention them to you as evidence. I am in good company however.
“Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway,” says the Lord in John 20:27-29. As for healings you mentioned, I have no doubts that others, including even witches, can heal people. But they can not provide salvation and eternal life. That’s only possible through Jesus Christ, according to His Word. I call that the biggest miracle of all. Not whether someone is healed in a temporary human body.

Your “He’ll not appear personally to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus ” surprises me. What a nonsense. Jesus Christ came for everyone, ESPECIALLY for the Jews and Israel. The Bible says in Romans 1:16 “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.”

And: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins” (Acts 5:30-31).

Religious Jews also believe in Jesus the Messiah. The difference is that Messianic Jews and other Christians have come to the understanding thet He already was on this earth and will come back, while they believe He still has to come. Also I did not yet
mention that the dedication to the Lord by my parents, as we discussed earlier, does ofcourse NOT mean I became a Christian at
that moment. It was their wish, their prayer. I had to make that personal decision myself later.

I disagree that “just reading the Bible” is insufficient. I do think however it is good for people to seek other believers to study God’s
Word and encourage each other as the Body of Christ in a hurting world. Finally: I am not going to make this an endless discussion. I would suggest once again that if you have questions or protests about His Word, you should go directly to the Lord. Why wait? He is willing to answer you, according to the Bible.

Matthew. 7:7-11: “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!”

I will not make this an endless discussion on this forum. I think you made your points, I made mine. If you want to learn more about the Christian faith I can send you some links and you can also click the Worthy Prayer button on the Website.

God bless you,

Stefan J. Bos

I DO NOT know who or why is going to Hell, nor do I claim to know, I don’t even know if there’s a Heaven or Hell!

As for miracles in your life & Jesus’ words & the incredible protection that Jesus has provided you in Balkans, Iraq & Beirut-suffice to say that millions of Jews have experienced the same protection & love in war zones from YHWH(who they persistently claim has no son, thus Jesus according to Jews isn’t His Son!), millions of Muslims from Allah, millions of Hindus from Krishna, Shiva, Ram, Kali etc.

I have had Muslim relatives share their “miracles” with me, they told me that it was Allah who protected their lives in times of utmost difficulty, how they managed to survive life threatening diseases etc.

My cousin, my aunt’s daughter had leukemia as a child, her parents or her(then) only sibling, her sister’s bone marrow didn’t match with hers, her dad had undergone a vasectomy, he managed to reverse that & have another child whose marrow matched & my cousin is healthy now! They thank Allah for this!

As for going to Hell, you keep repeating verses that say that belief in Jesus is neccessary, Jews DO NOT believe Jesus is the Son of God!Except Messanic Jews, a fundamental characteristic of Judaism is that Jesus isn’t accepted by them!

Nor do Muslims, Muslims call their God Allah & add SWT meaning Allah has no sons! Thus they do not accept Jesus as Son of God!

Your God may well love Jews & Christians, but He also wants them to accept Jesus as Son of God, which they don’t!If they don’t accept Jesus as Son of God, its you, not me repeating the Scriptures that they don’t get to go to Paradise!

Yes I have read the Bible & its claims & the Quran & the contradictory claims!

Oh & intolerance in the name of Christianity, well you could well claim that its not due to Christianity, Muslims would claim the same thing, that those doing the persecutions weren’t “real Christians” or “real Muslims”.

Yeah, sure your God is a God of Love! He’ll not appear personally to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc, there’ll be other books like the Quran around which will make the exact same claims to be God’s words, more than a billion people will believe that book or other holy books & those who don’t believe Jesus is God will not have eternal life, yet he loves!;-)

Reminds me of Muslim honor killing husbands, who also love their wives, yet will kill them if they don’t return his love & have an affair with another man!

Fact that often persecutions had happened in these faiths names & the majority of the world’s followers of Jesus or Allah are the children of believers whose parents have dedicated them to those Gods.

If just reading the Bible, or for that matter the Quran were sufficient to convince the world, so many wouldn’t remain unconvinced!

I don’t know who you mean with “you guys” involved in ethnic cleansing, persecution of Jews, the Holocaust etc.
I think I have made clear there is a difference between religion and real Christianity. I am sure many things have
been done in the name of Christianity as I pointed out in my many comments exchanges with you.
Persecution of Jews has nothing to do with Christianity. In fact, Jesus was born of a Jewish mother.
The first disciples were Jews. How can a Christian possibly be anti-Semitic? As for evidence. I can only speak
for myself and say that I have a daily relationship with Christ. I have also experienced His protection and love
during very difficult journalistic assignment in war zones, including Iraq, Beirut the Balkans and elsewhere. I could
share with you the many miracles in my life, yet I don’t think that would convince you either. Ofcourse I quote from the
Bible as that is God’s Word. It says about searching for “evidence” as you call it in John 20:27-29 where Jesus says
“Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.’” This is the full verse: “Then he said to
Thomas, ‘Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless
any longer. Believe!’ ‘My Lord and my God!’ Thomas exclaimed. Then Jesus told him, ‘You believe because you have
seen me. Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.’” I also would like to point out once again that
Christ wants to save everyone, including Jewish people and Muslims. You apparently know better than me that Anne Frank
and all other six million Jews are going to hell. I would be the last to say that. As I pointed out to you God sees the heart.
Yes my God is a God of love. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” And Yes I believe what Jesus said:
in John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
If you don’t like that or don’t want to accept that, that’s your choice. But I would suggest you go for more questions
directly to Him and His Word, the Bible.

Best regards,

Stefan J. Bos

Don’t you GET the meaning of “evidence”? No wonder you guys fail to convince so much of the world after 2000 years of persecuting Jews for “deicide”, ethnic cleansings, colonizations & Inquisitions!

I asked you, how is it that its Jesus who saves from Hell & not Allah? You quote words of the Bible, well I’ll quote a bit of the Quran too for you as counterevidence!

Here:

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Quran 3:4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. Quran 3:10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. Quran 3:12

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. Quran 3:19

There you go! More than a billion people believe in the Quran, two billion in the Bible! Just like your word against mine, without additional evidence doesn’t constitute “proof”, similarly the Bible’s words v. the Quran’s words are no proof!

Its nice to hear again that you accept your God’s decision about non believers not getting to go to Heaven, let me requote what Philip Saenz said:

“Islam teaches that all “infidels” are going to hell. That’s awfully stupid. Why are all “infidels” going to hell?”

Well, you see Philip Saenz, our Christian friend here, Stefan Bos says the exact same thing!

As I’ve told you before, neither Allah & Muhammad, nor Christ have done anything for me!Both Muslims & Christians have preached at many people & even if thats’ failed, they have persecuted multiple people, all to no benefit! Neither has managed to win over half the world, yet most people’s parents faith indeed does much for them, their parents “dedicate” them to it, they hold onto it for life & gain much satisfaction from the faith & thank that particular Lord!

But for an accident of birth, you would’ve been “dedicated” to Allah, Buddha or Krishna & thanked those gods as much as you could!
You would quote those Scriptures as evidence!

Incidentally, evil humans like Stalin also somehow followed Jesus or Allah’s policy, they too wanted people to accepted their Stalinist ideology & then be allowed to live, or they’d be slaughtered!

The Creator of the Universe has supposedly authored a Book, unfortunately there’s not just one Book that claims to be from the Creator of the Universe, there are multiple such books, each making exclusivist claims!

You quote from the Bible, supposedly as its written by the Creator of Our Universe, my grandma & other Muslims’ quote from the Quran as they believe those are from the Creator of our Universe!

A simple wrong choice, or an accident of birth can thus doom most folks!

Even if we leave aside Anne Frank, 6 million other Jews were butchered by Hitler in his gas chamber! Those Jews died still clinging to their faith & their faith doesn’t accept Jesus as God’s Son! Thousands of Muslims died in Srebrenica, believing & clinging to Allah & faith in Allah too doesn’t accept Jesus!

But they too had a God in their life, like Muslims have a God, they worship & thank Him as much as they can & it does loads for them! Will Jesus now take over from Hitler & make those Jews suffer eternally for disbelief & being born into the wrong family?